February 15, 2006


I interviewed Miss Supermodel of the world for a recent issue of Genre. Naturally, she and I got to chatting as drag sisters will, and I went way over my word-count and the Genre piece (I think it just went off stands recently) had a lot of the juicy, drag-specific bits were chopped out for size considerations--it's only a one page article. But I thought it came out so well that I'm reprinting it here in it's entirety. Don't y'all love dirt on Diana Ross and lace-front wigs? I know I do! Ru was practically my drag mother in 80's Atlanta and it was a ki-ki to reunite with her after all these years. And Miss Sashay Shante gives GREAT interview!

B: Being roomates in ATL many years ago, we were pretty out there, artsy-fartsy party animals--we called it being "hooty". You've always kept some of that zaniness in your persona and a perfect example is "sashay shante" which took the nation by storm as a saying, but it really makes no sense. What exactly is it?

R: It's a feeling. I was thinking about that at the gym today and they were playing an album of a new artist who I didn't particularly care for. She's got a nice voice, nice music, but she didn't have that image or stance and that hooty stance is the irreverence that we grew up with and brought to New York, which is carried over into the work I do. That's what excites me. That's what interests me about--

B: --Stuff like "Strudel Model"--


B: Kind of Retarded stuff--

R: --Retarded stuff because the role of drag queens through out history has been of the shaman of the witch doctor. Of the people who keep the myths of any culture alive and they remind every culture not to take yourself too seriously. That you are not this body. That you are much more. So you decorate it and you make fun of it. That we are all both male and female and this is not to be taken seriously.

B:--I hope you don't mean this interview.

R: I mean your wig, actually.

B: Now in Atlanta we would often joke about things being mystical. How mystical/spiritual is RuPaul?

R: Obviously I acknowledge that there's more to this life than what the eyes can see. But, do I have a spiritual practice? I've prayed, I've meditated. I know that there is more and I acknowledge it but I don't go to retreats with candles and go round a campfire or anything like that.

B: No, YOU go to retreats with candle wax dripping on your nipples in a sling by the campfire.

R: Exactly.

B: Quite the opposite from spiritual, you have a website with downloads and a blog and you do your show on mini-disc. How much of a tech geek is Rupaul?

R: You know, people would be surprised. I've always been technical. I know how to do Pro Toolz but not the advanced level. I'd say, on a scale of 1-10 of a techie, I'm probably a 7.

B: Back in ATL, we were quite the party messes. Though I will still go out and do the occasional shot of Geritol and bump of Doan's, staying sober is an occupational hazard for drag queens. We're supposed to be the life of the party. Bartenders give the drag a drink as soon as she walks in the door so that she'll carry and entertain. At the level that you perform, you're in a much more controlled environment. You walk into a club to your dressing room, perform and leave. You aren't out hosting until 5:00 am. Any advice to your drag fans on how to avoid staying fun enough to be hired without being a mess?

R: Well, that's a good question because 1991 is when I quit the downtown hostessing circuit and I also had to quit drinking then too to focus on doing a demo and getting the attention of the mainstream entertainment world. Actually, at that moment, that's when drag stopped being woo hoo! that type of fun for me because then it became a job. And then when I got famous I couldn't go out down to the Vault and carry on. I couldn't go out I couldn't do any of that stuff and that what what was so much fun about being in drag! You could go out and terrorize. Back then I had to go out and every single to keep my name out there so that the promoters would hire me. If you stayed away for a week you were forgotten. And by the time I got up to NYC, I'd already been doing clubs for 7 years and I was over it. And the only way for me to get through this new crop of kids was to get crunked up. It is an occupational hazard. I think there's probably a way to do it, but your senses would probably tell you to leave this business alone if you were not to drink or get high. Even today, the only way you could get me out to a club if there are men wih their dicks hanging out on a pedestal shaking their dicks and asses or if there was a drag show or trannies popping ping pong balls out of their asshole.

B: What if it was a drag queen shaking her dick and squirting ping-pong balls out of her asshole?

R: I'm there. Reserve my seat.

B: I'm afraid Lypsinka is sold out.

R: All the kids write to me and say Ru, she looks just like you. And all these bitches are pumping lace front wigs. Brandy, Beyonce, Mary J., Ashanti, Tyra, of course.

B: Well after that rap song that made fun of Tyra's big forehead. How do they hide the lace front on HD TV?

R: Well, Granny on the Beverly Hillbillies--that is a lace front wig. I mean, we've seen lace-front wigs our whole lives and because of lighting, you don't see them. I have a lady in who does lace fronts with me in LA and she does them for Cher and Halle Berry, and she gave me Halle Berry's lace which is brown and it's unspookable.

B: Halle Berry wears a lace-front wig?

R: She wore it in when she played Storm in the X-Men and in Catwoman.

B: Well, it's nice change for that secretary do that the top black sexy actress has worked for 10 years! I hate it!

R: Oh god, it's rotten. But you know what? She's too short to really carry off long hair. That's why she has the secretary do. Cuz her neck isn't very long and that's how you elongate the proportions.

B: Oh really? (fingering my wig) Got any scissors on ya? There's a RuPaul doll out. Did you play with dolls as a kid?

R: Yes, I played with my sisters dolls!

B: What was your favorite?

R: Well, I loved Barbie. I carried on with that doll more than my sister did. Dressing her up and putting on shows and try to make outfits and do her hair. I think doll's are great to start kid's imagination. I don't know how many kids are going to be playing with my doll because it's $60 a pop--

B: Aren't they all now?

R: No, Barbie's like $20.

B: Well, who the fuck do you think you are, bitch? You ain't Barbie! Of course you've done MAC ads and radio and TV, but there is something about a doll that's a tangible message that you've reached a certain level--omeone wants to market a physical replica of you. Is that like a dream come true for a former doll lover?

R: It is exciting. But all the things that have happened in my career are things that I assumed would happen. It's exciting but it's not a surprise to me. I saw all these things as happening years ago. I thought the world at this point would have advanced way beyond where we are now. Technologically, we're really advanced but on an emotional level, in terms of men loving men and people accepting that, we're so in the 50's. And artisitically, as a pop culture watcher, we would be so much further if our culture would accept men loving men. In fashion, movies, art--it's all a rehash of old stuff. Movies of old tv shows, fashion is something from the 60's, 70's, 80's and music is all sampled. If we would accept love between 2 men, it would open up a myriad of different variations and possibilities of where we could go. Not just for gay people but for everyone. It would influence everything we do as a culture, what we wear, color combinations we would do. Hopefully, the doll and thinks like it will be chipping away at that. But in the meantime I'm just going to be having fun doing what I do.

B: Your doll is thinner than the Billy and Carlos dolls so I can take the whole thing inside me. Did you ever imagine that you'd be such a top? I mean, you've kissed my ass every night this week! And I think you should next the next line with washable clothes. Actually, the doll sports several different looks--give me a run-down of the "cunture".

R: Initially there were just 3 dolls and their looks were benchmarks in my career. The first was the cover of the single for Supermodel which is the glamorama look. The second doll is a sort of replica of the Viva Glam M.A.C. ad that I did which ran in Vogue and on billboards woldwide. And the 3rd doll is my current look which is relaxed--long hair, jeans, tube top--more accesible. Actually, it was planned to be more scary than before because it's more human and more touchable.

B: What do you mean more scary? I found all your looks quite scary!

R: Well, the current look is not a caricature. It's not larger than life, an untouchable glamazon. It's relaxed with with jeans on.

B: Urban real girl. And that makes it scary?

R: That makes it scary because before you could say "oh she's done to the hilt, she not even human she's beyond human". This is actually human and it scares people more. That's why I haven't been on Leno or Letterman because what are they going to talk about with me? They can make jokes about me, but when I open my mouth it's hard for them to approach me because it threatens the fuck out of them. Never been on Leno, never been on Letterman.

B: But so why would you plan to make it scary--to push buttons?

R: To push buttons and I've already gained entry into Betty and Joe Beercan's house. I don't need more of that. Now, I can actually go back to my roots which is scary drag. Which is pushing buttons. The glamorama look was premeditated because I wanted to appear sort of a caricature, a non-threatening persona that could gain entry into the homes of America. And it worked. Now, years and years later, I don't need to gain entry. Everybody knows my name. So, I can actually push it further. I can be more interesting to me and at the same time push people's buttons in our culture.

B: You place in the drag hierarchy is very different because you "made it" looking pretty. Ugly drag has been traditionally been the only drag that America will accept--

R: Milton Berle--

B: Or Some Like It Hot or Mrs. Doubtfire or Sha Ne Ne. If the joke is how busted the drag i., it's ok. But if it's a character who actually looks sexy and glamorous, it's harder to accept. And a drag queen/transsexual is more likely to pass in a real girl look than if she's prissing down the street in a white bouffant and a gown with a train.

R: Yes, exactly.

B: So the new look does sort of put you in the realm of "I am fuckable."

R: Right, exactly.

B: And that is your message, you slut?

R: It's true! That is the message because it's no longer pulling any punches. Ultimately, there's only one of us here. People like to make a big difference betwen what's male or what's female. Well the truth is, everbody has it all. And Letterman and Leno don't want to acknowledge that. I remember once Leno had a cigar and Dr. Ruth said "I know why you've got that cigar in your mouth" He said (Ru fake stutters wildly)" Don't go there!" That side of him is so shut down that he didn't know what she was going to say. Well, we know what she was going to say.

B: What?

R: That he wants a big fucking cock in his mouth.

B: Black cock.

R: Black! Exactly. And there's nothing wrong with that--

B: (relieved) Good! Whew!

R: Our culture has demonized that with men. I'm embarassed to say that I read The Da Vinci Code but it talks about that. It talks about the demonization of feminine behavior in our culture--not only with men but with women too and how it's been just made to seem weak. But because the first 3 dolls are so popular they added 4 more and these are all variations on the current look. And all these looks come from the Lookin' Good, Feelin' Gorgeous video. Different hair colors, etc.

B: The new look is urban and realer and there's a lot of down-tempo and even the house cuts are funkier than the previous albums--does that reflect your personal taste or what's on the market at the moment?

R: Absolutely. I think everybody listens to a myriad of styles and this album does reflect most of my tastes. It has dance, pop, r & b, a little bit of rap. I listen to everything. I love Tanya Tucker and Pam Tillis and Li'l Kim. But this album not only represents my musical tastes but also where my head has been in these last 5 years. My personal evolution, how I see the world and how I see myself.

B: Well, Supermodel is all about a model looking gorgeous but the lead single from your new album is about you Lookin' Good and Feelin' Gorgeous and you have a lot of self-empowerment messages like "you can do it" and "this is my moment" .I'm someone who is very bitter when I look out at the world which is perhaps in the worst place it's ever been in. How do you manage to have a balance to keep yourself together with all this unsettling world drama? I know you have a lot to say on the world situation because I saw you interviewed on CNN right before the election and you were talking a bit about politics and the anchor asked you "How long does it take you to put on your make-up?" And I could see tht you were frustrated because it's like yeah I may be a man in drag but I've also got something to say about things other than make-up. Even in the gay community--this has turned into a monologue instead of a question--

R: Yeah! ARE YOU INTERVIEWING ME OR Am I interviewing you? I fel like Oprah. More like Tyra actually. And can someone please tell Tyra, GET YOUR OWN LOOK?

B: But even in the gay community a drag queen is expected to be fluff and fun.

R: The choice to see the glass half full or half empty is a choice I make every single day.

B: Me too, at a bar!

R: The truth is the glass is half full or half empty--but one choice will bring you joy and one choice will bring you pain. And I choose to look at it as half full. Neither is wrong. But as for the second part of the question--activism in terms of drag go hand in hand. And I've said before, everytime I bat my eyelashes it's a political statement. Anytime you follow your heart and do what you desire to do which is play with all the colors in the crayon box, somebody is gonna get upset about it. Somebody is going to be rubbed the wrong way because they're going to be reminded that they're not living their lives to their full potential. And that's really what it boils down to. My songs are optimistic because it's my own personal mantra. I'm not only saying "Live life to it's fullest" and "you better work" to other people but I'm also saying it to myself cuz I need that affirmation everyday. I forget. I don't practice religion but I do practice keeping myself in a place where I can enjoy this gift of life. The 5 years I was in California I had some really dark times. I didn't create work for myself--I just did what came to me. I spent a lot of time sitting with myself in a way that I've never done before. Because my whole life, I wanted to be famous and it happened. Then what? It's like Dorothy after Oz. What do you do after you've seen the Wizard? Well I had to sit it out and that was like my 40 days and 40 nights. It was beautiful and great but it was very dark. There's some dark stuff on the record. I talk about my break-up of my relationship with George--we were together for 6 years. I talk about coming into my own and loving myself irregardless of the fact that I have character defects and that's alright.

B: You've gotten to meet and work with Diana Ross. What was that like to meet your idol?

R: I don't think that people should meet their idols, honestly. I've had to develop a love for the image and then a completely separate relationship with the person. Rarely do the two meet--they never meet. The image you have of someone is never gonna be who they are--

B: With Patti it is!

R: Well, yes. Most people won't understand that. Because when you're dealing with someone's fantasies and the part of them that is their hope, it's very serious business. So I've learned to not be sarcastic about my career. I used to never take a compliment. Just the other day a guy hung out with me and I said "You got to see the poison that is RuPaul." and he said "Don't say that." He was being sincere. And I have had to learn not downplay people's love for me because it's serious stuff--their image of me or of any star. But Diana is a very ambitious person, she's a mother and she's a lot of times unaware of her impact in all of the things she's done. Her kids don't even listen to all of her records the way that I have. She's a lovely person. She's very guarded, too.

B: Against what?

R: She knows that there are people who would do anything to get to her or to use her.

B: The one thing from Call Her Miss Ross that people pull out as scandalous is that her employees aren't supposed to look her in her eye backstage. As cruel as that may sound to fans, I know for a fact that if she were approaching the stage at a huge concert, possibly nervous or remembering lyrics and focused and I passed her, there would a be a look of longing in my eye that screamed "I need validation from you of all the love I have for you!" I guess that's why that's in her contract. Because even I feel that way towards her and I'm not a very star-struck person--could I have your autograph, Ru?

R: Most people don't understand that. We're talking shop talk. Certain things you can't tell to the regular Joe Schmoe on the street because they won't accept it the same way. If a child passes their parent's room and they're having an S & M workout and mommy is beating the fuck out of daddy--

B: No it was the other way around--oh you mean hypothetically--

R: No not YOUR parents, Bunny ! A child won't understand that that's a sophisticated expression of love or enjoyment. There are certain things in show business that are behind the curtain that if normal people heard about, they would think of it as being cruel. And the Ross eye thing is one of them.

B: Tucking is another.

R: When I did my show on VH1, I would tell the staff not to tell me I look great. Everytime I'd come in they'd be like "Wow! You look great!" and I don't really wanna hear that. We were taping 2 shows a day and I had a lot to remember to say. and they'd been working on me for 4 hours--I know I look great. To hear that it distracts me and then I have to say "Oh, thank you! "when I'm focusing on remembering lines and even that small amount of time it takes away from what I'm there for. I have the best people in NYC working on me--I know I look great. The truth is everybody is the same: Cher, Patti, Diana, Janet--insecure, wants love, wants to be validated, just like you, me and everybody out there walking on 8th Ave right now. But you have to understand that. But in order to understand that you have to give up your image or your fantasy of that person. And that's very valuable stuff. A lot of times it may not even be worth it to give that fantasy image up.

B: Is Diana Ross fierce? When she's just sitting there and not necessarily "on" is she a fierce black woman?

R: Absolutely. Last time I saw her she was in Atlantic City I went backstage to see her. I have a personal relationship with her and talk to her on the phone and visit her house. At one point she was talking about being in Las Vegas and Atlanatic City and I said "I don't like being there cuz I don't gamble" and she said "I gamble". She said I've come home with $100,000 and threw it up in the air and all the kids were like "Mom! What's that?" And the kids are playing with it--$100,000 she won at the tables. And I said "Aren't you said that you could also lose $100,000?" and she said "Ru, I'm a winner. And I have always have been." And I said "I'm a winner, baby like me Mahogany!" and we all laughed. And I told her "It's true, you are a winner. No matter what you've ever done, you've always come out on top." So yes, she is fierce and she knows it. And she owns it. And I think she owns it now more thyan ever before. I think a lot of the troubles she's had in the recent years have been because maybe on some level maybe she didn't believe it and there was some insecurity.

B: But she's not like a chatty fag hag.

R: No, she's not. She's very guarded. She knows her power. If you remember, at Motown, all the Motown people hated her because she got preferential treatment, deservedly so. She had the boss's daughter. So she couldn't afford to be chatty or to give so much to everyone cuz they would use it against her. And they have. The same with Cher, Oprah, all of them. They all know that they are the guardian of their legacy and that they can't just sprinkle it around everywhere because everyone will take it and everyone will use it to their advantage. Even their families.

B: Controversial blackface drag queen Shirley Q Liquor does the intro on Lookin Good, Feelin' Gorgeous. Race issues have exploded in this country. Something is brewing.

R: Oh yeah. A lot is brewing and it should be brewing. I think our culture has gotten so complacent with ipods and cellphones and Tivo and it needs to explode. I think race issues are really a sympton of a deeper problem--that people are disenfranchised and feel like they're not being heard. I think race issues are always there because it's the easiest thing for people to grab and say "Oh, you're doing that to me because I'm black." Well, the reason doesn't have to do with that person. The bad republicans don't have morality. They have a one-mindedness which is to preserve their way of life. And if it comes across as being racist, it's not even that personal. It's really just about them protecting what they have. And yeah, it does trickle down to being racism. Things are going to get a lot worse before they get better. It's already happening. Katrina is purely feminine energy, and I always think of the Mississippi Delta area as the womb of this continent. This feminine energy is going to rock this administration, even rock what I was talking about earlier with Leno and Letterman--this male-dominated thought process that is damaging to our culture and everything that's creative about life.

B: Well, George Bush is the epitome of that.

R: Absolutely!

B: With his sand-box bully style of "You're either for us or against us"--it's more like a bully in a schoolyard picking teams than diplomacy. It's not like "Can we discuss this? It's "We're going to war. We're gonna hit some Arab nation and it doesn't matter if they are connected to Al Quaeda or not. That is a masculine energy and it's time that women's influence is felt more. Let's go chop our nuts off!

R: Right, but women are guilty of it, too. I'm walking through the airport and I can't believe all the friggin' TV's are turned to news or sports. Do all these women really want to watch this? It's small things, but it's the way we've been oriented.

B: Did you see the Kanye West thing? It was so electrifying that I burst into tears--it was a little truth that did get televised.

R: I did see it and I went out and bought 2 copies of his album.

B: As far as your new down-tempo cuts, do you think America would accept RuPaul as something other than a dance diva? Dance isn't really making it onto the radio anymore--it's all r&B and hip-hop. And that world is very homophobic. Kanye West denouncing homophobia in the rap world was the exception.

R: No, I don't think the hiip-hop community would accept me and honestly, coming back into the business, my thing wasn't about trying to get world-wide acceptance--I've gotten that. I want to do work that I will enjoy, and that people who want to see me will enjoy, too. I'm not trying to convert anybody. I just wanna do my thing. I don't want to be on HOT 97 or any of those stations because I think they are mean-spirited. I think a lot of that stuff and even reality tv I've been asked to do are all mean-spirited. I don't want to do that stuff. I took a long time away from the business and I'm coming back to it to have fun.

B: I think that's all my questions. I can't really see because I just had to get glasses and I never remember to bring them.

R: Oh, you know I got my glasses, too. I'm not wearing them now?

B: (Squinting) You're not? Oh, ok. So long DOES it take you to do your make-up?

R: God, everybody asks me that! I don't really have an answer for that--

B: Hours? Days?

R: Laughs .--cuz it's not just the make-up. It's about all the stuff. The corset, the hair--

B: What's a corset?

R: All the stuff. The make-up is just part of the stuff. I could probably do it in maybe an hour and 15 minutes.

B: For a special occasion.

R: I could do 45 minute make-up if it's just a stage show where I knew there weren't going to be any digital cameras and I could get a way with it.

B: But you always use make-up artists for taping stuff.

R: Yeah.
B: Speaking of which, you're doing a movie! You did a lot of these gorilla--I mean guerilla--style movies in atlanta, a couple of which I am in but I don't remember being in cuz I was so drunk when we filmed them. But this movie is the same kind of thing.

R: I saw some of the old films that were 20 years old and I thought it's perfect timing for me to actually do one of these types of films and do it a few notches up with a director and actual crew. And that's what we're doing-- time it's gonna go directly to dvd and it might show at the Quad, perhaps. It's not going to make a whole lot of money.

B: Well, the movie industry is in such a horrible state that they can't even make a fun film out of a concept as great as BEWITCHED, so maybe it needs a jolt from Ru the independent filmmaker. Some freshness that isn't filtered through the Hollywood system is what the film industry needs.

R: Which is exactly why the internet is so exciting. I put my record out myself and I'm getting my boutique on my site together so I can sell downloads and wigs and whatever I wanna sell. That's what's so exciting about this film--I'm doing it myself and maybe I can sell downloads of the movie on my website not having to go through the Hollywood system or any system. It's so exciting to me. This movie, whether I make money or not, I'll be of service to kids like me, kids like you--

B: I love servicing kids, too! Kids over 18, I meant to say.

R: --who now have a chance to see that stuff if they have a computer. That's why I wanna make this movie. When we made movies years ago we did it with literally no budget and the editing facilities were 2 vcrs. And people loved them!

B: For those who aren't familiar with the Atlanta films, you often played a female blaxploitation-style heroine--

R: Well, all the movies were exploitation films which took a cue from John Waters and Russ Myers. You and I did Terror 2 and the Wild Child. Another feature of drag is that it deconstructs what our culture takes seriously and does it with a wink. And our culture needs to be reminded, take this life a s a gift and to not take it too seriously. To have friggin' fun. And that's what I do with my movie, my music--hopefully with everything I do.

B: I know that Michael Lucas will be doing a cameo in your movie and that you're a fan of porn--

R: Love it!

B: Will there be any other well-hung sexy men besides Michael Lucas and Candis Cayne?

R: (Howls!) Yes, tons! Gus Maddox, who is gorgeous, is playing the male lead and Owen Hawk. The prerequisite is that the film is full of queens, trannies and male porn stars. All f the porn stars are showing their hard cocks, and all of the transsexuals are showing--

B: --their soft cocks.... and their hard faces! I understand that 80's drag legend and our old room-mate Lahoma Van Zandt will be coming out of retirement for this.

R: She is coming out of a 9 year semi-retirement to do this film and it's very exciting. It's hard to do this stuff. Mike Ruiz, who directed Lookin' Good and Feelin' Gorgeous video and is a incredible high fashion photographer--

B: and gorgeous--

R: --And gorgeous. It's difficult to do this film because the stakes are higher in terms of other people. My aesthetic is "Just get it on camera--I don't give a fuck. Just make sure my light is good." Well, it's a little more complicated when you get someone with a beautiful eye like a Mike Ruiz and the production value's much higher. In fact the role you're going to play is sort of like a lipstick lesbian who likes to pick up the prostitutes and talk dirty. I play a hooker and there are many montages of the tricks she has to turn and you are one of these tricks. You play a woman who picks up women.

B: Typecasting!


Anonymous Anonymous said...

Great interview.....see why I am a founding fan of both.
Ru Paul & Lady Bunny were two of my first encounters with Drag in 1981...Weekends, Atlanta, Georiga. Ru Paul on a box...working overtime. Lily White, the original freak of freaks, Apple Love, Lady Shawn, Lisa King, Tina Devore, Kelly Ray, & the sickest of them all my much older sister, Lady Bunny. Needless to say I was terrified out of my mind because I saw my future. I am so happy for the two of them and hold them in high esteem. I have to say I have learned so much from both...from Ru how to kick ass & take names, from
Bunny how to do a bump and not drop any.
I learned how to let my inner Goddess Shine and live according to my rules from Ru. I learned how to not take myself or drag to seriously from Bunny....a great combination. I have worked with Ru from time to time & Bunny is Blood. Two shining examples of how to be successful against all odds. I once told Ru in Miami that what ever I become is greatly inpart due to his shining a light on the path. I am proud to be in a sisterhood with two girls from the hood....the backstreets of Atlanta. I always say, I went from the Dirt Road to the High Road. I have seen it all along the way. I would not take back any of it. Those roads, although not all paved, were the roads that have lead me to where I am today and the road that I am now on. Thanks sisters for coming before me and letting me see how to do it right. I love you both and beam with pride. With loving Respect, Elaine Lancaster

6:22 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Let's cut our nut's off"...really had me laughing out loud.

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

The image Bunny painted of Lypsinka shaking his appendage to the crowd and "squirting" (? can they be squirted?) ping pong balls out of her rectum got me to squealin'

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